
Theodore
Roszak Answers Some Question
1. This book
is about intolerance, racism, the most narrow-minded of religious evangelical
zealots, indeed some might call them the "American Taliban," and yet,
it's a lively comedy. Did you actually set out to write something funny about
these people?
The
Devil and Daniel Silverman
has a simple moral theme: intolerance is a bad way for people to relate to
people. At of the close of the twentieth century, you might hope we had
all learned that much about living together on a small planet. But
instead, we see the market for self-righteous political movements growing by the
day. Meanwhile, good, old, warm-hearted liberalism has to fight to keep
itself from being driven into extinction. I wanted to remind Americans
that we have our own, home-grown forms of fanaticism, people whose patriarchal,
puritanical, theocratic, dictatorial view of life is not very different from the
Taliban and other Muslim fundamentalists. That's a heavy message, but
there's a comic side to such narrow-mindedness. Smug narrow-mindedness
makes a great target. It just asks to be hit in the face with a custard
pie. Satire, if it is successful, can be both hilariously comic and deadly
serious at the same time. Laughter can be the most damning kind of
put-downs.
2. You're known as a best-selling social historian. Why did you decide to use
fiction to tell this very political and extremely topical story?
As every historian knows, fiction has
ways of tellinthe truth more effectively than non-fiction. Fiction lets
you show how ideas live in the words and actions and feelings of people.
It embodies abstractions in flesh and blood. g From Moll
Flanders
and Tom Jones on down, think how many
periods of history we understand better through memorable fictitious characters
than impersonal narratives? Holden Caulfield tells us more about
America
of the 1950s than any social history
can. I wanted Daniel Silverman to be that kind of emblematic figure for
the current generation: the nice-guy, bicoastal liberal up against the
ultra-right-wing orthodoxy of the past decade. The
Devil and Daniel Silverman was my chance to talk back to all those on
America
's religious right who seem to place no
value on pluralism and have no idea why the separation of church and state is a
basic requirement of democracy.
3. Did you have any particular church in mind when you invented the Free
Reformed Evangelical Brethren in Christ?
The FREBC
is a composite of any number of conservative, evangelical, and fundamentalist
congregations I have come across. These churches go out of their way to
advertise their teachings on television, in magazines, in mass mailings. I
made a collage of their beliefs. Every moral position and theological
doctrine mentioned in The Devil and
Daniel Silverman is represented by a conservative Christian congregation
somewhere. I actually took some of the formulations I use in the book
from sermons, treatises, and catechisms you can find on the World Wide Web.
4. Professor Oxenstern's basement chamber of tortures; the neo-Nazi-like
snow mobile team; the faculty that pay Silverman an exorbitant lecture fee and
then snub him; the missionaries who were eaten by ants and the college janitor
who threatens Silverman's life: I know a well-known author visits a lot of
colleges, but have you ever visited anything like this one?
Satire requires exaggeration, so there
are elements in the story that are exaggerated — but not, I hope, in ways that
are incredible or unfair. Professor Oxenstern's black museum is based on real
Christian doctrines about hell and damnation. There are people who believe
what Oxenstern teaches. The illustrations in his collection are based on
real depictions of sadistic human suffering. Remember: we live in a
country where Planned Parenthood Clinics have been fire-bombed and doctors have
been killed for performing abortions. There are churches that resort to
aversion therapy to deal with homosexuality and others that would like to take
over the entire curriculum in our schools. There are many evangelical
congregations that pray for the conversion of the Jews because they think God
doesn't listen to anything but their prayers and many that believe AIDS is God's
judgment upon homosexuals. Against that background, I felt free in
taking a certain dramatic license. At the same time, I was careful never to make
the fundamentalists come across as stupid. In my mind there's a difference
between stupidity and intolerance. The major evangelical figures in The
Devil and Daniel Silverman are presented as articulate, educated people who
certainly know the Bible inside out and who are quite capable of outsmarting
Silverman from time to time. (That checkers game between Oxenstern and
Silverman is meant to show how crafty Silverman's opponents can be.)
Moreover, I granted the
Faith
College
folk that a great deal of contemporary
culture is vile and demeaning. Silverman doesn't win every argument. In
fact, he's forced to think hard about his values.
5.
Faith
College
could be in the deep South or really anywhere in the country. Is there some
reason you placed it in the frigid north country?
Highly
conservative evangelical congregations exist throughout the country. They thrive
all over
California
where I live, even in affluent suburban
communities. I placed
Faith
College
in backwoods
Minnesota
because I needed a setting that allowed
Silverman to be trapped by a blizzard for several days. But I also wanted
the background symbolism of frigid cold as a contrast with his “warm and
cuddly” humanism.
6. You are a university professor with a doctorate in history from
Princeton
. The Devil and Daniel Silverman is a
delectably accessible, emotional, sensual and humorous. Is there some kind of
contradiction here?
Even
Ivy League Ph.D’s can be sensual, emotional, and humorous. But perhaps
it helped that I got my BA at UCLA.
7. In spite
of the fact that there are obvious 'good guys' and 'bad guys' in the book, some
of the religious fundamentalists are portrayed as very real people who try hard
to lead just lives in a confusing world. What is your take on the role of
organized religion in society today?
Speaking
from my own experience (I was raised as a rigid Catholic), I believe religious
orthodoxy, even when it is sincerely intended, stifles the soul and crucifies
the intellect. That certainly puts me at odds with all forms of
fundamentalism. The evangelicals at
Faith
College
are pretty evenly divided between those
who are fighting to get free of their church and those who have surrendered to
it and become obedient robots. The character of Syl, for example, is my
idea of an authentic Christian: compassionate, spontaneously friendly, and
un-judging. As Silverman puts it:, "Syl is a mensch."
8. Danny Silverman's hilarious experiences with the New
York Times Best Seller List and
Hollywood
screen writers leads me to believe you've been around the block in these areas.
Do any of Silverman's experiences mimic your own?
A
great many of Silverman's adventures are based on my own experience as a writer,
especially those sections about agents, critics, marketing, and screenwriters.
The commercial side of writing is pretty soul-destroying. I've been through this
mill a number of times.
9. The very
committed partnership between Danny and Martin; the touching but ultimately
doomed relationship between young Danny and his Orthodox "zadeh,"
Grandpa Zvi, would leads most readers to believe you're Gay and Jewish. Is there
any autobiographical connection?
I've
already mentioned that I was raised as a true-believing Catholic. That's as much
as I'll admit. Why? Because one of the most rewarding things about
writing is discovering how you show up in the readers' imagination. I'd
prefer to have people guess how gay I might be in real life. I'm sure my
wife would be interested in the conclusions they draw.
10. If not,
how were you able to so convincingly enter the inner lives of not only Danny and
Martin but all the Fundamentalists whom you describe so convincingly?
Listening
with a willingness to learn is probably the most essential virtue of every
novelist. There are a lot of my friends, neighbors, students, colleagues,
and relatives in The Devil and Daniel
Silverman — or at least parts of them. I had more help on this book
than any other I've written: lots of readers, lots of advisors. Oddly
enough, what I needed to learn the most about was ... snow.
11. Danny
literally goes to the inner circle of hell in this book (which, according to
Dante was frozen); yet he re-emerges with a new understanding. What is your hope
that readers will take away from Danny's story?
The
image of John Bunyan's Vanity Fair haunts Silverman more and more as the story
unfolds. Ultimately he realizes that Vanity Fair is a pretty accurate
image of modern life: brawling, chaotic, wicked, salacious, irreverent,
depraved, obsessed with fame and fashion. Silverman realizes he is a
spiritual resident of Vanity Fair, but he's not sure he wants to lead cheers
about that. He learns that all orthodoxies -- including those of secular
humanists -- can suffocate the spirit. I hope readers notice how often he
(and I) agree with Silverman's fundamentalist opponents that our popular culture
has become a pretty tawdry, tasteless, commercial, and obnoxious affair.
But he finishes -- as I do -- believing that the vulgarity of Vanity Fair may be
the price we have to pay for living in a truly pluralistic society.